So, I read "VP players under attack", and think, that's really funny. I mean, how many of the actively posting members on this board are profitable casino customers? Yeah, I thought so. So, amigo, you gotta take the bitter with the sweet. I mean, I wouldn't deal to almost all of you here. So, why get personal?
I graduated from Reno many years ago, or maybe the better way to put it is they graduated me by no mailing me. And that was when the games were better, I went on a monster run at three places, and they got tired of me.
See, the beautiful thing about this is the slot department can toss someone who is lucky, maybe not even skillful, and they will get a pat on the back for doing their job. My take has been the opposite, if you control all conditions of contest and still have to toss players, it's on the slot department, or marketing. But it's much more politically expedient to blame the player for the casino's stupidity. It keeps you employed that way.
I miss Atlantis a little bit. I miss the great food at all the restaurants there (well, I don't miss Purple Parrot that much), I miss going to the salon and being assaulted by the megahot 20yo bikini model gorgeous receptionist. I miss PMR a little bit too, especially when they had the 100.83 5-play MS FPJWKB (should have played that one without the card lol). But, you move on.
If you want to get good comps fast, go onto high limit and play $25 Double Diamond for an hour. That'll remedy the problem.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "stormin96" <pcolborne@...> wrote:
>
> This is an excellent posting which is helpful to all members. It is apparent that VP players are under attack. In Niagara Falls,Can. the usual slot points are $20=1 point. Vp is either $40 or $60 = 1 point. There are hardly any large players anymore. Now mostly bus groups playing 1-2 credits a hand. I have even had hosts tell me that there is no way i can expect much from VP. Very soon the casinos will be just large adult arcades like when you were a kid. Go in, put money in game, play and leave. Your only comp will be that they will be open the next day.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> >
> > What I meant to say was....Great POST! Thank you...(-;
> >
> > JW
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> > > Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> > > is a
> > > > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> > > because
> > > > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > > > Messages Messages Help
> > > > Message # Search:
> > > > Advanced Start Topic
> > > > Atlantis New comp system --- The good, the bad, and
> > > the
> > > > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> > > >
> > > > Reply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 <
> > > > Prev | Next >
> > > >
> > > > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> > > thanks
> > > > Moe), and three days
> > > > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> > > figure
> > > > out their new
> > > > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> > > >
> > > > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> > > club
> > > > desk to get a comp,
> > > > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > > > outside the desk explaining
> > > > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> > > thing
> > > > I noticed was a
> > > > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > > > double and triple comp
> > > > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> > > accumulate
> > > > a bunch more comp
> > > > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> > > use
> > > > the new kiosks to
> > > > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> > > you
> > > > useful data. One
> > > > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> > > your
> > > > comp points. Comp
> > > > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> > > 9735
> > > > comp points, the food
> > > > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> > > you
> > > > see at the machine
> > > > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> > > at
> > > > your machine, it would
> > > > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> > > match
> > > > is if you have a
> > > > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> > > keeps
> > > > up with that person
> > > > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> > > kiosk,
> > > > the number displayed
> > > > there will always be the total for the account.
> > > >
> > > > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> > > pay
> > > > for a meal, the
> > > > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > > > person's comp points. So,
> > > > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> > > and we
> > > > had a $20 meal, I
> > > > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > > > (still no charge for tax).
> > > >
> > > > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> > > the
> > > > first day was a 'no
> > > > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> > > was a
> > > > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > > > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> > > a
> > > > little bit (three
> > > > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> > > >
> > > > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> > > decided to
> > > > try to obtain the
> > > > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> > > did....
> > > >
> > > > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> > > hands
> > > > of quarter JOB ($100
> > > > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> > > started
> > > > and right after I
> > > > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> > > hand
> > > > played, and as soon
> > > > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > > > there. All were played on
> > > > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> > > one of
> > > > the Hundred Play
> > > > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > > > quarter game. Here is what
> > > > I found....
> > > >
> > > > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > > > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > > > comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > > > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> > > and
> > > > a BIG downgrade! The
> > > > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> > > was
> > > > the nickle progressive
> > > > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> > > the
> > > > three old bars, behind
> > > > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> > > old
> > > > sports book bar. They
> > > > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> > > Java
> > > > Coast somewhere (can't
> > > > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> > > over by
> > > > the new sports bar,
> > > > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> > > see
> > > > the point).I could
> > > > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> > > are
> > > > accumulating faster
> > > > than before..
> > > >
> > > > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> > > longer a
> > > > bonus, it was an
> > > > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> > > I saw
> > > > was much lower than
> > > > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> > > >
> > > > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> > > desk
> > > > and saw club manager
> > > > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > > > feedback from an
> > > > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> > > he
> > > > appreciated the input
> > > > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> > > management
> > > > on customer input.
> > > > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> > > (can't
> > > > remember his name).
> > > > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> > > >
> > > > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> > > comp
> > > > balance is great. You
> > > > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> > > casino
> > > > would work. Then,
> > > > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> > > or
> > > > another. I said this
> > > > was a plus.. Then the bad...
> > > >
> > > > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > > > accumulation was severely
> > > > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> > > would
> > > > not get me the same
> > > > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> > > a
> > > > triple point day to get
> > > > close to what I was getting before....
> > > >
> > > > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > > > anything for a few seconds.
> > > > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> > > looked
> > > > like I had just
> > > > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> > > and
> > > > spices! How could I
> > > > possibly know that information!
> > > > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> > > days on
> > > > it. I said that
> > > > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> > > had no
> > > > incentive to play one
> > > > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> > > why
> > > > play on a non-multiplier
> > > > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> > > three
> > > > times a week, you
> > > > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> > > days
> > > > saying "Locals! We don't
> > > > want your business today!"
> > > >
> > > > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> > > schedule my
> > > > trips 2 to 3 months
> > > > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> > > occurs,
> > > > and buy my tickets
> > > > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> > > three
> > > > nights were all on single
> > > > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> > > come
> > > > to town and my stay
> > > > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> > > ZERO
> > > > incentive to play any on
> > > > the single point days. Is that what they really
> > > wanted???
> > > >
> > > > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > > > favorite section, better
> > > > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> > > the
> > > > same game in other areas
> > > > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> > > board.
> > > > This is going to be
> > > > hard on all of us who play there.
> > > >
> > > > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> > > Atlantis, so
> > > > I couldn't vent to
> > > > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> > > Deucey
> > > > and their host about
> > > > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> > > they
> > > > will need a lot of
> > > > negative input before they change anything for the
> > > better.
> > > > My suggestion for an
> > > > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> > > coupons
> > > > per month, and let the
> > > > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> > > >
> > > > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> > > 3X
> > > > days, and one 4X day.
> > > > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> > > out how
> > > > to post it to the
> > > > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > > > authority has to post it, I
> > > > could email it to them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> > > won't
> > > > guarantee them. Please
> > > > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> > > think
> > > > this knocks them down a
> > > > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > > > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> > > defines
> > > > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> > > full
> > > > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> > > earned
> > > > and your most recent comp $
> > > > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > > > it expires after 12 months.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike
> > > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> > > a
> > > > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > > > plays.
> > > > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> > > listed
> > > > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> > > the
> > > > now dominant cash in?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> > > been
> > > > removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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