> From: toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
> >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here is a
> full report by Mike From the South. I was interested because
> I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
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> Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay, thanks
> Moe), and three days
> at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to figure
> out their new
> system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
>
> When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the club
> desk to get a comp,
> and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> outside the desk explaining
> the new system to everyone that walked up. The first thing
> I noticed was a
> calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> double and triple comp
> point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to accumulate
> a bunch more comp
> points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to use
> the new kiosks to
> obtain your data. There are only two screens that show you
> useful data. One
> screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows your
> comp points. Comp
> points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have 9735
> comp points, the food
> value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value you
> see at the machine
> you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary' at
> your machine, it would
> show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not match
> is if you have a
> joint account. In that case, each person's own card keeps
> up with that person
> only, but if either of you swipe your card at the kiosk,
> the number displayed
> there will always be the total for the account.
>
> One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to pay
> for a meal, the
> system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> person's comp points. So,
> if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000, and we
> had a $20 meal, I
> would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> (still no charge for tax).
>
> Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days, the
> first day was a 'no
> multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last was a
> 3X day. Well, I saw
> no reason to play much the first day, so we play only a
> little bit (three
> hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
>
> So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and decided to
> try to obtain the
> comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I did....
>
> I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80 hands
> of quarter JOB ($100
> coin in). I checked my comp points right before I started
> and right after I
> finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY hand
> played, and as soon
> as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> there. All were played on
> single line machines, with the exception of playing one of
> the Hundred Play
> machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> quarter game. Here is what
> I found....
>
> Of the six areas I played I got these different
> accumulation numbers, and in %
> comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates and
> a BIG downgrade! The
> worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next was
> the nickle progressive
> at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were the
> three old bars, behind
> the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the old
> sports book bar. They
> all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from Java
> Coast somewhere (can't
> remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything over by
> the new sports bar,
> or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not see
> the point).I could
> not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they are
> accumulating faster
> than before..
>
> Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no longer a
> bonus, it was an
> absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine I saw
> was much lower than
> the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
>
> Armed with this information, I walked over to the club desk
> and saw club manager
> Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> feedback from an
> out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!", he
> appreciated the input
> because he uses that feedback in meetings with management
> on customer input.
> Right before I started, the casino manager walked by (can't
> remember his name).
> Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
>
> Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your comp
> balance is great. You
> always know what you have, it's the way I wish every casino
> would work. Then,
> not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place or
> another. I said this
> was a plus.. Then the bad...
>
> I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> accumulation was severely
> hit. I said that even playing on a double point day would
> not get me the same
> comps as before. I said that I would have to play on a
> triple point day to get
> close to what I was getting before....
>
> Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> anything for a few seconds.
> And the looks on their faces when I said that. They looked
> like I had just
> blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs and
> spices! How could I
> possibly know that information!
> Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier days on
> it. I said that
> since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I had no
> incentive to play one
> that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days, why
> play on a non-multiplier
> day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or three
> times a week, you
> might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier days
> saying "Locals! We don't
> want your business today!"
>
> Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to schedule my
> trips 2 to 3 months
> out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale occurs,
> and buy my tickets
> then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my three
> nights were all on single
> point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I come
> to town and my stay
> on single and double or triple point days, I have ZERO
> incentive to play any on
> the single point days. Is that what they really wanted???
>
> In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> favorite section, better
> check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for the
> same game in other areas
> for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this board.
> This is going to be
> hard on all of us who play there.
>
> My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the Atlantis, so
> I couldn't vent to
> him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom Deucey
> and their host about
> how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe they
> will need a lot of
> negative input before they change anything for the better.
> My suggestion for an
> improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X coupons
> per month, and let the
> player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
>
> For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five 3X
> days, and one 4X day.
> I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure out how
> to post it to the
> board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> authority has to post it, I
> could email it to them.
>
> Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I won't
> guarantee them. Please
> check for yourself and report you findings here. I think
> this knocks them down a
> few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
>
> Good Luck,
> Mike
>
>
> > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one defines
> "positive") a positive play there. In any event a full
> pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game to
> me.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > LIFO = last in first out
> > >
> > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned
> and your most recent comp $
> > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> it expires after 12 months.
> > >
> > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike
> <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be a
> wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > plays.
> > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is listed
> in the database as returning .6
> > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of the
> now dominant cash in?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> >
>
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