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> This is an excellent posting which is helpful to all members. It is apparent that VP players are under attack. In Niagara Falls,Can. the usual slot points are $20=1 point. Vp is either $40 or $60 = 1 point. There are hardly any large players anymore. Now mostly bus groups playing 1-2 credits a hand. I have even had hosts tell me that there is no way i can expect much from VP. Very soon the casinos will be just large adult arcades like when you were a kid. Go in, put money in game, play and leave. Your only comp will be that they will be open the next day.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> >
> > What I meant to say was....Great POST! Thank you...(-;
> >
> > JW
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> > > Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> > > is a
> > > > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> > > because
> > > > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > > > Messages Messages Help
> > > > Message # Search:
> > > > Advanced Start Topic
> > > > Atlantis New comp system --- The good, the bad, and
> > > the
> > > > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> > > >
> > > > Reply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 <
> > > > Prev | Next >
> > > >
> > > > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> > > thanks
> > > > Moe), and three days
> > > > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> > > figure
> > > > out their new
> > > > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> > > >
> > > > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> > > club
> > > > desk to get a comp,
> > > > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > > > outside the desk explaining
> > > > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> > > thing
> > > > I noticed was a
> > > > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > > > double and triple comp
> > > > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> > > accumulate
> > > > a bunch more comp
> > > > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> > > use
> > > > the new kiosks to
> > > > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> > > you
> > > > useful data. One
> > > > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> > > your
> > > > comp points. Comp
> > > > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> > > 9735
> > > > comp points, the food
> > > > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> > > you
> > > > see at the machine
> > > > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> > > at
> > > > your machine, it would
> > > > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> > > match
> > > > is if you have a
> > > > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> > > keeps
> > > > up with that person
> > > > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> > > kiosk,
> > > > the number displayed
> > > > there will always be the total for the account.
> > > >
> > > > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> > > pay
> > > > for a meal, the
> > > > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > > > person's comp points. So,
> > > > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> > > and we
> > > > had a $20 meal, I
> > > > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > > > (still no charge for tax).
> > > >
> > > > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> > > the
> > > > first day was a 'no
> > > > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> > > was a
> > > > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > > > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> > > a
> > > > little bit (three
> > > > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> > > >
> > > > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> > > decided to
> > > > try to obtain the
> > > > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> > > did....
> > > >
> > > > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> > > hands
> > > > of quarter JOB ($100
> > > > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> > > started
> > > > and right after I
> > > > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> > > hand
> > > > played, and as soon
> > > > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > > > there. All were played on
> > > > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> > > one of
> > > > the Hundred Play
> > > > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > > > quarter game. Here is what
> > > > I found....
> > > >
> > > > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > > > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > > > comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > > > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> > > and
> > > > a BIG downgrade! The
> > > > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> > > was
> > > > the nickle progressive
> > > > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> > > the
> > > > three old bars, behind
> > > > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> > > old
> > > > sports book bar. They
> > > > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> > > Java
> > > > Coast somewhere (can't
> > > > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> > > over by
> > > > the new sports bar,
> > > > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> > > see
> > > > the point).I could
> > > > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> > > are
> > > > accumulating faster
> > > > than before..
> > > >
> > > > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> > > longer a
> > > > bonus, it was an
> > > > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> > > I saw
> > > > was much lower than
> > > > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> > > >
> > > > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> > > desk
> > > > and saw club manager
> > > > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > > > feedback from an
> > > > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> > > he
> > > > appreciated the input
> > > > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> > > management
> > > > on customer input.
> > > > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> > > (can't
> > > > remember his name).
> > > > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> > > >
> > > > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> > > comp
> > > > balance is great. You
> > > > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> > > casino
> > > > would work. Then,
> > > > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> > > or
> > > > another. I said this
> > > > was a plus.. Then the bad...
> > > >
> > > > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > > > accumulation was severely
> > > > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> > > would
> > > > not get me the same
> > > > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> > > a
> > > > triple point day to get
> > > > close to what I was getting before....
> > > >
> > > > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > > > anything for a few seconds.
> > > > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> > > looked
> > > > like I had just
> > > > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> > > and
> > > > spices! How could I
> > > > possibly know that information!
> > > > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> > > days on
> > > > it. I said that
> > > > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> > > had no
> > > > incentive to play one
> > > > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> > > why
> > > > play on a non-multiplier
> > > > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> > > three
> > > > times a week, you
> > > > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> > > days
> > > > saying "Locals! We don't
> > > > want your business today!"
> > > >
> > > > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> > > schedule my
> > > > trips 2 to 3 months
> > > > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> > > occurs,
> > > > and buy my tickets
> > > > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> > > three
> > > > nights were all on single
> > > > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> > > come
> > > > to town and my stay
> > > > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> > > ZERO
> > > > incentive to play any on
> > > > the single point days. Is that what they really
> > > wanted???
> > > >
> > > > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > > > favorite section, better
> > > > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> > > the
> > > > same game in other areas
> > > > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> > > board.
> > > > This is going to be
> > > > hard on all of us who play there.
> > > >
> > > > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> > > Atlantis, so
> > > > I couldn't vent to
> > > > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> > > Deucey
> > > > and their host about
> > > > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> > > they
> > > > will need a lot of
> > > > negative input before they change anything for the
> > > better.
> > > > My suggestion for an
> > > > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> > > coupons
> > > > per month, and let the
> > > > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> > > >
> > > > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> > > 3X
> > > > days, and one 4X day.
> > > > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> > > out how
> > > > to post it to the
> > > > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > > > authority has to post it, I
> > > > could email it to them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> > > won't
> > > > guarantee them. Please
> > > > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> > > think
> > > > this knocks them down a
> > > > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > > > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> > > defines
> > > > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> > > full
> > > > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> > > earned
> > > > and your most recent comp $
> > > > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > > > it expires after 12 months.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike
> > > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> > > a
> > > > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > > > plays.
> > > > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> > > listed
> > > > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> > > the
> > > > now dominant cash in?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> > > been
> > > > removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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