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--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
> > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> is a
> > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> because
> > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > Messages Messages Help
> > Message # Search:
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> > Atlantis New comp system --- The good, the bad, and
> the
> > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> >
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> >
> > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> thanks
> > Moe), and three days
> > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> figure
> > out their new
> > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> >
> > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> club
> > desk to get a comp,
> > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > outside the desk explaining
> > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> thing
> > I noticed was a
> > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > double and triple comp
> > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> accumulate
> > a bunch more comp
> > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> use
> > the new kiosks to
> > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> you
> > useful data. One
> > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> your
> > comp points. Comp
> > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> 9735
> > comp points, the food
> > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> you
> > see at the machine
> > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> at
> > your machine, it would
> > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> match
> > is if you have a
> > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> keeps
> > up with that person
> > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> kiosk,
> > the number displayed
> > there will always be the total for the account.
> >
> > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> pay
> > for a meal, the
> > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > person's comp points. So,
> > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> and we
> > had a $20 meal, I
> > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > (still no charge for tax).
> >
> > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> the
> > first day was a 'no
> > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> was a
> > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> a
> > little bit (three
> > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> >
> > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> decided to
> > try to obtain the
> > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> did....
> >
> > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> hands
> > of quarter JOB ($100
> > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> started
> > and right after I
> > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> hand
> > played, and as soon
> > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > there. All were played on
> > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> one of
> > the Hundred Play
> > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > quarter game. Here is what
> > I found....
> >
> > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> and
> > a BIG downgrade! The
> > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> was
> > the nickle progressive
> > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> the
> > three old bars, behind
> > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> old
> > sports book bar. They
> > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> Java
> > Coast somewhere (can't
> > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> over by
> > the new sports bar,
> > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> see
> > the point).I could
> > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> are
> > accumulating faster
> > than before..
> >
> > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> longer a
> > bonus, it was an
> > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> I saw
> > was much lower than
> > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> >
> > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> desk
> > and saw club manager
> > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > feedback from an
> > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> he
> > appreciated the input
> > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> management
> > on customer input.
> > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> (can't
> > remember his name).
> > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> >
> > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> comp
> > balance is great. You
> > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> casino
> > would work. Then,
> > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> or
> > another. I said this
> > was a plus.. Then the bad...
> >
> > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > accumulation was severely
> > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> would
> > not get me the same
> > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> a
> > triple point day to get
> > close to what I was getting before....
> >
> > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > anything for a few seconds.
> > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> looked
> > like I had just
> > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> and
> > spices! How could I
> > possibly know that information!
> > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> days on
> > it. I said that
> > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> had no
> > incentive to play one
> > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> why
> > play on a non-multiplier
> > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> three
> > times a week, you
> > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> days
> > saying "Locals! We don't
> > want your business today!"
> >
> > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> schedule my
> > trips 2 to 3 months
> > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> occurs,
> > and buy my tickets
> > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> three
> > nights were all on single
> > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> come
> > to town and my stay
> > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> ZERO
> > incentive to play any on
> > the single point days. Is that what they really
> wanted???
> >
> > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > favorite section, better
> > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> the
> > same game in other areas
> > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> board.
> > This is going to be
> > hard on all of us who play there.
> >
> > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> Atlantis, so
> > I couldn't vent to
> > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> Deucey
> > and their host about
> > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> they
> > will need a lot of
> > negative input before they change anything for the
> better.
> > My suggestion for an
> > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> coupons
> > per month, and let the
> > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> >
> > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> 3X
> > days, and one 4X day.
> > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> out how
> > to post it to the
> > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > authority has to post it, I
> > could email it to them.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> won't
> > guarantee them. Please
> > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> think
> > this knocks them down a
> > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> defines
> > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> full
> > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> to
> > me.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > >
> > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> earned
> > and your most recent comp $
> > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > it expires after 12 months.
> > > >
> > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike
> > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> a
> > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > plays.
> > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> listed
> > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> the
> > now dominant cash in?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> been
> > removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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